0 "Once Upon A Time" Returns This Sunday

Here's the official poster.

The concept (and the costumes, which look like none-too-imaginative cosplay to me) just seem to continue the trend of an hour-long ad for Disney products, rather than be a unique spin on fairy tales or adding to the overall mythology of fairy tale villains.

Please don't misunderstand me: I would LOVE to be proven wrong and see brilliant and creative storytelling using fairy tale principles, and perhaps even drawing from actual fairy tales (even if they're put to use via the vehicle of these Disney-created characters). After all, I was pleasantly surprised to see the depiction of the Snow Queen in the "Frozen" half of this season. Her character and arc nuances (and Elizabeth Mitchell's acting - credit corrected 2-28-15) made the show worth watching, even though I cringed every time Anna and Elsa appeared in their straight-from-the-movie costumes like some weird sort of fan-fiction-slash-Disney-ad. (Note: I thought the actresses both did wonderfully in their given parts. They had the characterizations down extremely well, but there was just nothing subtle about the way they were written or shown. Instead it became like an hour long promo to grab the attention of Frozen fans when they were on screen. Not cool sorry!)

Once Upon A Time continues with the second half of season 4 on Sunday, March 1st.

Detail: "Once Upon A Time" Returns This Sunday

0 A Great Suggestion For the OUAT Writers (AKA The Call To Use Different Fairy Tale Characters From 'Round the World)

With the season end reveal of Elsa coming to Storybrooke for Season 4 of Once Upon A Time, speculation is rife with regard to story lines, additional Frozen world character additions, plot twists and, as you can imagine, concerns about changing an already much-beloved character. Clearly, from the brief finale teaser, Elsa will be fair skinned (ie caucasian) but there are a lot of people, many already concerned with Disney's lack of POC representation, that see the same in OUAT, and that the addition of Elsa just exacerbates that.

   

(I'll get to why I am posting images of all these cultural variants of Cinderella in just a sec. Bare with me.) 

      

The "discussion" throughout social media has birthed a petition, calling for Tiana (from Disney's The Frog Princess) to be added to the cast and canon but not just as "fodder" like it seems most other POC characters have been used in OUAT.
   

The lack of POC people in the ABC show Once Upon a Time is rather depressing. They are either villains, dead or forgotten. The character Mulan has disappeared and Rapunzel, who was added to the royal line up, had one episode and she wasn’t even the focus. For three seasons, the fans have waited patiently for at least one POC who doesn’t get shafted. So to the writers and creators, would you please give us Tiana? All we are asking is for a POC character that gets to go on a journey and not be forgotten.  

The fact that the POC issue is coming up so regularly these days says a lot to me: not just about the lack of representation by arguably the most influential company using fairy tales in the world, but also that people are tired of the same regurgitation of stories. Red Riding Hood has been told multiple times the world over in a myriad of ways, yet Western retellings of Red Riding Hood tend to default to the girl in the red hood in the wood with a wolf.

        
Carissa Shuman, of The Celebrity Cafe, however, came up with a solution that I want to applaud, (despite the fact that it's highly unlikely this suggestion will be implemented):
           

Should Horowitz and Kitsis decide to include more POC, they could possible draw from fairy tales of other cultures which are sometimes stand-alone stories, and sometimes variations of their European counterparts. Their focus has been predominantly on Disney princesses, which does include Mulan and Tiana. However, they have also included or alluded to other popular stories such as Hansel and Gretel. If they were to refer to some other stories, they may want to use Leola from Melodye Benson Rosales’ Leola and the Honeybears, which is an African-American version of Goldilocks, who although not a princess is a well-known fairy tale character. 

                    

Another option could be to incorporate “relatives” of Red or Ella by using a variation of their story. For example, Lon Po Po is a Chinese version of Little Red Riding Hood written by Ed Young. There are also several versions of Cinderella. The idea of rags to riches is a common theme, and the Chinese have told it in Yeh-Shen by Ai-Ling Louie. Robert D. San Souci told it in his story entitled Cendrillon, a Caribbean Cinderella, and Rafe Martin told it in The Rough-Face Girl which stars a disfigured Algonquin girl.

  

The whole things about OUAT being basically a Disney property and using Disney versions of fairy tales makes sense, from a production point of view (and an intellectual property point of view). That excuse doesn't apply for when they go outside the canon though. For them to use, for example, Red Riding Hood and Hansel and Gretel, which Disney do not have popular versions of, says that they're willing to step outside the Disney canon if they think it's worth they're while (read, ratings).
             


With regard to the fact that Horowitz and Kitsis are extremely unlikely to consider using cultural variations of stories, what I would like to see is: They decide, yes, they'll bring Tiana on board and yes, they'll bow to popular demand and offer Oscar Winner Lupita Nyong'o the role. She says "yes, on one condition". They say "anything!" and she demands that they bring some fairy tales from her cultural background to the show...

I can dream.

Detail: A Great Suggestion For the OUAT Writers (AKA The Call To Use Different Fairy Tale Characters From 'Round the World)

0 OUAT: The Ice Queen (press release - no spoilers) & "GALAVANT" Is the Bridge For How We Get There (TRAILER ALERT!)

Hi Elsa! (And probably Anna too.) This is your official welcome by ABC to the world of Storybrooke, Maine and the Once Upon A Time fandom:

 

By the way, I've been seeing complaints (and occasionally outrage) that there are "so many people" getting upset that ABC is doing the Frozen version of Elsa instead of The Snow Queen. I just gotta say.... well that's interesting! (And it's not from me.) While I'd personally love to see a little traditional fairy tale Ice Maiden/Snow Queen input, it's pretty clear that OUAT's format and popularity relies upon using known fairy tale characters (usually, but not always, from the Disney canon) in order for the twists in their stories to have so much impact, so, of course it's going to be Elsa from Frozen. I'm very curious to know where all these "fairy tale hipsters"(their term, not mine) causing such a ruckus are from. Although I think it's a little misguided because of what the show essentially is, I kinda love that they're making fans of OUAT and Frozen take somewhat of a look at the old tales, even if it's only to note that they exist.

The other main beef on the interwebs today? That Dreamworks owns the Jack Frost character that a huge portion of the (various) fandoms want to 'ship with Elsa (who is Disney) - and the tears of despair that there is no way that can possibly happen because Dreamworks/Disney = mortal enemies. O.o

Elsa & Jack cosplay by Akatsuki Tsukasa
(click this to see more amazing cosplay including with Anna)

We're so far out from how they're going to manage this yet... I'm just going to say it: let it go, people!  (Don't kill me. )If you're a fan, odds are you will love what they do, if for no other reason than apparently the writer room is like a Frozen mini-fandom and cares just as much as you do. Chill. (And please don't kill me.)

Worried about how you're going to last that long? Enter Galavant (the musical comedy fairy tale show I've posted on HERE as being in development at Disney).

But before it gets too boring to keep reading, look! A crazy, fun, Princess-Bride-meets-Monty-Pythonesque trailer (but with less dirt) to show you we're very unlikely to be bored while we wait... From the writer of Crazy, Stupid, Love and Oscar-Winning Composer Alan Menken… ABC brings you… um, this:

This is so much better than expected. I'm heaving a huge sigh of relief. (And I'm going to take it as an excellent sign that my kid thought it was funny too.)

And yes, it makes complete sense that Galavant would be the bridge show for Oncers. We also know that this time they're not going to screw up the between season programming for this show either, after what happened with OUATinWonderland (for OUATinW it was a mid-season kafuffle, but still, cancellation is a serious price to pay for an oops).

So: fairy tale shows from ABC for the next year at the least. Woot!

(Note: Fairy tale writers: got an ice maiden or Jack Frost story bubbling away? This is the year to get it out there. Just sayin'.)

Detail: OUAT: The Ice Queen (press release - no spoilers) & "GALAVANT" Is the Bridge For How We Get There (TRAILER ALERT!)

0 OUAT Season 3 Finale: Hello Elsa? (+ SPOILERY-FINALE-SPOILERS! - all hidden under the jump, I promise)

OK, I'll admit it. I actually quite enjoyed the season 3 finale for OUAT. After a fairly "meh" reaction the whole of the first half of this season, it's been getting better and better and I found this one to be pretty solid overall. (Either I'm finally giving in to the show or this episode was actually better written than average.) After seeing the characters wandering around the jungles of Neverland for the 1st half of season 3 (for some reason it just fell a bit flat for me, despite the themes etc happening, which should have made for awesome) I've been enjoying, more than not, how the Oz-factor amped things for OUAT. The writing didn't have me cringing like it had been and there were enough Oz and other fairy tale references that weren't trumpeted so obviously to give the whole show more depth. (Yay!)

So, the finale: after complaining that I just didn't care about Snow & Charming anymore, (in fact, they had become downright boring and irritating) this episode put all the love back on track in a nice version of a replay-with-a-twist. Whomever mapped this episode out did a great job of keeping it true to OUAT's history but managed to inject new life into it, and without using the same already-seen-too-many-times scenes. Yay!

In fact, because of the subtleties and gently stretching a storyline we'd already gotten used to as an adaptation of the Snow White story, this felt more like an authentic fairy tale effort than things have a in a while.

The geeky references were also nicely done, with some nods to the Disney universe as well... also, is this the first overt use of Mickey Mouse and references to Disney films? (Don't worry - haven't spoiled anything.) I think there may have been another film reference or two somewhere in episodes past but the idea that OUAT characters sit down and watch Disney movies kinda twists your brain a little.

So it shouldn't be too much of a shock to anyone who's been watching OUAT that a full-on Frozen reference appeared in Storybrooke last night. That's not what I'm counting as spoilery. Everything about it though - the how's and why's and questions - should probably be considered spoilers so I'm hiding them under the jump...

✒✒✒✒ Click the "Read More" link below for spoilery discussion on the finale ✒✒✒✒

✒ ✒ Click the "Read more" link below for MANY more fairy tale like images with animals c/- Dash Kond ✒ ✒ - See more at: http://afairytale-blog.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-brave-cosplay-take-on-brave-yup-thats.html#sthash.kCtqh620.dpuf

✒ ✒ Click the "Read more" link below for MANY more fairy tale like images with animals c/- Dash Kond ✒ ✒ - See more at: http://afairytale-blog.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-brave-cosplay-take-on-brave-yup-thats.html#sthash.kCtqh620.dpuf

✒ ✒ Click the "Read more" link below for MANY more fairy tale like images with animals c/- Dash Kond ✒ ✒ - See more at: http://afairytale-blog.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-brave-cosplay-take-on-brave-yup-thats.html#sthash.kCtqh620.dpuf

I'll get to the Frozen reveal in a bit, but first, favorite things we saw:

• Meghan Ory return in both Wolf & Red form, showing her badassness, and that she could be quite a formidable character.. perhaps something to keep in mind should the team need extra help again in season 4... (Not a fan of the way she disappeared so quickly from the rest of the finale though.)

• Neal! I think this character just got better and better; more noble and more attractive. Although I knew it was unlikely because of the fan-swooning over Hook, I really wished Neal and Emma had ended up together, even if it was only short lived (as in Neal had to die). He just 'brings it' on screen.

• The Princess Bride-like reference in the costumes for Emma and Hook: Emma's in the classic plain red dress (albeit a little poof-ier than the classic, but it works) and standing with her is the dread pirate Roberts, I mean Killian. I think they may even have used the line "As you wish" somewhere in there...

• Emma's geek showing: Her Marty McFly reference and "I'm Princess.... Leia". Ha! Plus all the Disney nods that reference made as well.

• Snow White falling in love with Charming and Emma watching it all, made it more solid in a way, especially when things went wrong and their first meeting was interrupted (by Emma. Kids - sheesh!). Even though they borrowed a lot of that "disrupting the timeline" stuff it was well applied. Nicely written, nicely shot. 

• The Evil Queen's jeweled ensemble - wow. One of THE best costumes we have seen. In fact, all the costumes for this whole finale were better than average (except I think they could have been a little more creative with the very last costume we saw, even if the beading was beautiful, it felt like not-the-best cosplay). Although Belle's wedding er, 'ensemble' wasn't what I would have chosen, if they were going to go that route (which clearly they did) they did a nice job of it. (Personally I wanted her more pretty, or at least more adventure-Belle and less dowdy, but maybe that's just my girly side showing through. I guess I have one after all! ;)

• The Belle vows that included: "..sometimes the best teacup is chipped...". Admittedly, I was not looking forward to this wedding scene and I honestly expected more creativity with it (I don't mean "foof" I mean just smarter, lovelier, something in the library, or the clock tower or something referencing a rose.. something!) but although I wasn't on board at the beginning, it ended up being touching and despite his deception, you got the feeling Rumple really did love Belle. #thereshopeforthemyet

Least favorite things:

• Breaking Regina's heart. Again. I dearly hope we see some unexpected development in her character as a result of this, rather than defaulting to the dark side. In the meantime, the Marian reveal makes you want to give Tink a good, hard shake... Sadly, I find myself hoping Marian is evil... #ugh

• CAPTAINSWAN fans, avert your eyes: I'm about to commit heresy: The CaptainSwan ship finally arrives. And I was so bored by it! (Sorry, but I was.) I wish they'd played up more of the Princess Bride thing. That could have made it a lot more fun and made it feel a lot more like destiny. They even had some of the elements in place. Unfortunately, after having seen Neal earlier in the finale (and him saving Emma again in passing on his lock-picking knowledge) it just seemed a bit.. lazy. Especially after the Hook/Neal dynamic and Emma being so strong previously. I hope they 'Princess Bride' the rest of the relationship to make it more interesting because right now... #yawn

So on to the Frozen reveal.

Although we're not surprised it's happened, it is much sooner than expected. Perhaps it's a scramble-attempt to draw back fans who had no patience for the Neverland slump. Although possibly the best villain to date - Zelena - really revitalized the show, I know they're still not quite as high on the ratings scale as they were pre the Peter-Pan-is-baddie plot line. it's also possible that they felt a Frozen scenario wouldn't work very well in the Spring/Summer season next year so pushed it up to the Fall/Winter one for the start of season 4.

I also can't, for the life of me, find who played the Elsa-looking character or how she was referred to in the episode script. (Got info? Do share!)

I'm pretty sure the Elsa-teaser started earlier than the very end though. Remember the adoption scene? (From memory it was actually the very first scene of the finale dual episode.) With the little girl that got adopted, wearing blue? That is, wearing ELSA BLUE? Yeah, I think that was her, and that's going to come back to Emma (who was watching so unhappily) in season 4 too.

Because, note that she (Elsa) was hidden away in the vault of things too dark and powerful, too volatile for Rumple to deal with? That's not likely to be a gentle character. And then the question would be, how did she go from being an "I love Mickey Mouse" girl to getting locked away by Rumple?

Frozen Anna and Elsa by c-dra

And then there's the vagary with exactly who this is. It seems to be obviously Elsa but that could just as easily be a red herring. Remember the part in the movie where the frozen Anna turned human? Well, we saw a frozen person become human at the endas well, except it looked like Elsa (complete with costume), at least, it did from the back. Who's to say that's not actually Anna with a frozen heart who will need a bit of love to thaw her? She is Elsa's sister and, being genetically related, there's a chance she has some latent ice magic as well - perhaps some that doesn't manifest until she's been frozen...

And then there's the Elsa braid being on the wrong side. Why so important? Because history shows Oncers (ie. OUAT fans) notice those sorts of things. and either that's a gigantic mistake on the part of the costume people/writers OR it's a big clue.

Of course, it could just as easily be Elsa who's heart froze when she believed her sister died and she turned to the dark side. Elsa was, after all, originally intended to be a villain in the Disney movie but that seemed too harsh and the idea of sisters and family love resonated better for the family movie. However, OUAT is not as interested in looking after the kiddie demographic and isn't afraid to show a little darkness leaking through so evil-Elsa is a big possibility too. It might just be a problem for all those people who've adopted Elsa as a role-model/icon of embracing one's individuality and finding freedom.

Possibilities, possibilities. I do know they're going to need to tread carefully to twist the Anna/Elsa story. It's still pretty new and people are still getting to know Elsa and falling in love with her. Making her an outright villain might not be a good move on the part of the Frozen fandom. We'll just have to wait and see what they do. (Until Fall. We have to wait until FALL. *headdesk*)

And now that I've led you round that merry-go-round, here's the TV Guide scoop on theOUAT season 3 finale:

TVGuide.com pressed executive producers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz for the scoop: 

Introducing Elsa was a great surprise! She's not really a villain in Frozen, though I have to imagine that she'd be pretty pissed after being locked up in that vault. What can you tell us about her and have you cast her? Adam Horowitz: We have not cast her. We haven't started that process yet. As for her being a villain, the thing we loved so much about that movie, among a million other things, was that Elsa was misunderstood.
Edward Kitsis: She was never a villain. She was only thought to be. For us, that's powerful.
Horowitz: We truly want to honor the character that everybody has fallen in love with so quickly. When you see how our interpretation of her and what we do with her, you will see that's exactly what we're trying to do. 

Is there a possibility to see Anna, Olaf and others from the Frozen world? Horowitz: We would be very disappointed if Elsa was the only one from that world that you saw. Who else may appear, we're not ready to tell you just yet.

You can read the whole interview HERE.

Questions we now have:

Wouldn't it be interesting if Swan got a little icy? ;)
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• Who plays Elsa? (Casting is still up in the air, even after the finale aired.)
• Is it really Anna with a frozen heart who becomes the snow queen here? 
• As in, perhaps Kristen Bell, who we know was very interested in being part of anything Frozen happening on OUAT, is switching it up and playing a very cold Anna?
• Can we expect Jack Frost to appear and get on board with this popular fan 'ship? (There is a chance ABC won't do this because Dreamworks used a Jack Frost character but there would be a lot to play with!)
• If they have to make a curse reference or a troll reference, are they going to use Rumpelstiltskin?
• Will they do a bit of research and pull in some world wide snow queen/ice queen folklore to give it some teeth? (That would make a whole lot of people REALLY happy.)
• Are we going to see Olaf? Are we going to see him as more than an ice-cream shape homage on a cone?
• Will Olaf make a Frosty the Snowman crossover appearance for a Christmas episode?
• Is Rumple ALSO Hans? (I mean, he did lock Elsa away...)
• Or is Hook "Princess Emma-Leia's" Han Solo (Hans-olo?) and gets "frozen"? (Star Wars in carbonite/OUAT in ice)
• Will Dakota Fanning and Elle Fanning play Elsa and Anna? (Because that would be awesome.) Alright, the odds of this are pretty much zero but I'm going to just say "you can see it, can't you"? They even fit their real life personalities to an extent...

Well, we can now clear up some of those questions: the creators are saying it's definitely Elsa we saw (I left the questions to stretch your brain a little).are some excerpts from another scoop at the Hollywood Reporter on it being Elsa and Frozen vs Snow Queen:

Kristen Bell as Elsa FAN-MADE WISHING  POSTER

Was that the Snow Queen, or Frozen’s Elsa, in the final moments?Adam Horowitz: That was Elsa. 

So you’ll base the character on Frozen and not the original fairy tale?Horowitz: We are dealing with the world of Frozen. We are honored to be allowed to do it. We loved the movie. We fell in love with it when it came out last year like everyone did, and we want to do our best to do it justice.
Eddy Kitsis: [What] we loved so much about the character of Elsa was that she was considered a villain but she never really was. She was misunderstood. That, on our show, speaks to us so strongly, that it was a toy we had to play with. It’s funny because I see lots of people [saying] “Oh! Did Disney ask them to do this?” It’s quite the opposite. It’s actually quite hard to get these characters on the show. It’s not like you get a call from Mickey Mouse saying, “I want you to sell mermaids this week.” It’s the opposite. It’s very hard to get these. We were very honored that Disney allowed us to take this toy off the shelf and let us play with it. 

Will Disney have substantial input in how she’s incorporated into the show or will you have free rein?Horowitz: The process I’m guessing it will be similar to how it’s been with all these characters. In many ways, it’s like using Snow White, using a character from Frozen -- it’s just a hundred-year difference. Our scripts and our ideas get vetted by the studio and the network and Disney’s brand management people, and I’m sure that process will continue. 

When should we first expect to see her in season four?Horowitz: I would expect it to be very, very early.
Kitsis: I would hope that it’s in the premiere.

I've left out a lot so if you want it all, go read HERE.

Still, so many possibilities, so many questions. Of course, knowing the writers haven't figured it all out for themselves yet means they're being deliberately vague... Such a fun playground for those guys to work in.

I'll admit I'm disappointed that they're sticking closely to the Disney world of Frozen, mainly because I believe the tales surrounding Snow Queens and Ice Maidens would work really well if incorporated into the character and story lines. Unfortunately, in ways like this, I really think it shows that they're not doing they're research outside of the Disney canon or certain movies (MGMs Wizard of Oz).

Still, we have fairy tales on TV! I am not complaining about that, even if I'd love to see some things done differently, and I most certainly do not want it to disappear any time soon! Keep 'em coming and keep people talking about fairy tales!

What are your thoughts?
What are your questions?
What are you going to do until the new season starts?

Detail: OUAT Season 3 Finale: Hello Elsa? (+ SPOILERY-FINALE-SPOILERS! - all hidden under the jump, I promise)